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Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by eazyflow » Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:37 pm

Such as this...

http://www.discogs.com/Ricochet-Feat-Bu ... se/1305491

Presumably for it's offensive content? If so this is a very slippery slope Discogs are treading...

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Re: Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by PJ BreakBob » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:12 pm

Such a stormer!!! But I never came across with Discogs message like this before. Straaange. Doubt if it's about lyrics/context, there's plenty obscene,pornographic and sickening grindcore releases being sold with no issues.
(not I liked or listened to them, just been browsing database and they just 'pop out', swear ) LOL

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Re: Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by Traffic Cone » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:26 pm

i think it is kinda fair enough for Discogs to have a code, and it's up to them to decide where the line is. it's a private site open to the public after all, not a public service.

i mean i guess you could argue this isn't enjoyed in the same way that Skrewdriver is. although it still seems weird to me to not be bothered by it...are there people who like nazi punk if the vocals are in a language they don't understand? and i do think that it's a bit more than just not politically correct :doubt:

that said...i think it would be helpful if they actually said what it is, and if they had clear guidelines for what crosses the line that people could refer to.

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Re: Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by Paul Zykotik » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:55 pm

If it's offensive content then that sounds the death knell for selling post-95 happy hardcore on there :wink:

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Post by Fizza » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:41 am

Paul Zykotik wrote:If it's offensive content then that sounds the death knell for selling post-95 happy hardcore on there :wink:
And you thought you were joking:

http://www.discogs.com/R-Avenue-Allrigh ... se/1395236

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Post by STG » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:03 am

PJ BreakBob wrote:Such a stormer!!! But I never came across with Discogs message like this before. Straaange. Doubt if it's about lyrics/context, there's plenty obscene,pornographic and sickening grindcore releases being sold with no issues.
(not I liked or listened to them, just been browsing database and they just 'pop out', swear ) LOL
It's a pretty well-known (and well-written about on the internet) anti-gay tune by Buju. And there's really only a handful of jungle records with lyrical content like this, such as No Lotion Man.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that discogs took this kind of stance. As like those said in the comments, it is a very slippery slope.

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Post by STG » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:04 am

Edit: double post.

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Re: Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by Paul Zykotik » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:36 am

Fizza wrote:And you thought you were joking:

http://www.discogs.com/R-Avenue-Allrigh ... se/1395236
Wow. That's odd and a bit concerning. What on earth are the rules :-?

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Re: Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by The_Ruffneck » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:57 am

You can still buy Eminems Mashall Mathers EP, Criminal being the one there.Doesn't make sense, discogs should not be a platform for the moderators to make political statements like this.

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Post by pete.devnull » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:07 am

Never could bring myself to buy that record, I know the Buju song was quite popular at the time and there's a good chance the kids banging these kinda tunes together had no clue / figured it was just another catchy popular ragga vocal to swipe. But it's not just saying some mildly ignorant or racey stuff, it's literally about murdering gay people, so nahhhhh ,there's like 850,000 other similarly ok-not-stellar-sounding ragga jungle tunes without those vocals.

Def a tricky issue, could be them taking a stand on all the racist shit which goes for a lot of money on the site (see it sometimes on their "top most expensive items for xxxxx period" lists). Also wonder if this goes along w/ their new EU tax thing and is discogs trying to be as legit as possible worldwide and not get named in suits for helping distribute hate speech or something.

For anyone wondering, here's the official policy:
http://www.discogs.com/help/doc/offensi ... item-guide

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Re: Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by The_Ruffneck » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:39 am

Not something i would listen to myself but by banning the nazi crap THEY have become the nazis! It's disgraceful.

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Post by dj jedi » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:51 am

Good for Discogs IMO, racist/homophobic etc music is no better than any other kind of hate speech, and this relatively recent and obscure record is hardly of any historical note.

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Re: Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by Traffic Cone » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:04 am

exactly. i mean in the UK if you published an article in a magazine arguing the same point it would be hate speech.

i don't think it is a slippery slope though - i think the policy makes it quite clear (there's a big difference between - to take a hypothetical example - a song praising Satan and a song urging the murder of Christians). but also it's always up to them. it's not as if in banning this it somehow forces them to also ban things for other reasons.
The_Ruffneck wrote:Not something i would listen to myself but by banning the nazi crap THEY have become the nazis! It's disgraceful.
nope. deciding what you want to have sold on your site based on morality is not being a Nazi. selling a record on someone else's website is not an unalienable human right being deprived of someone.

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Post by The_Ruffneck » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:25 am

PC gone mad.

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Re: Discogs preventing the sale of certain tunes...

Post by eazyflow » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:45 am

I always thought that Discogs was supposed as an objective resource for music, not for them to take a moral stance on what is considered 'acceptable' and what isn't.

It's amusing to see people cheering on Discogs here because it's something that they personally don't like or consider too obscure to be relevant... wonder if that would change when the self appointed arbiters of what is good taste move the line in the sand into realms of music that they do like...

A slippery slope.

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