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Vinyl Rippage - want to get it right!

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:47 pm
by ill advised
Have purachased an ION USB turntale and am about to start ripping to my studio pc using adobe audition.

I know theres a few experts on here so before me and the missus rip all our vinyl what sort of tips can you offer?

I'd like to know what people on here do re

* what sort of files - was thinking of ripping all as wav (storing on 1 HD) then converting all to 320mp3 on a seperate HD

* Tagging the files, how far do you go with the info?

Also while having a little play earlier I noticed I had slight clippage on the recordings. Went to the mixer on my soundcard (audiophile 24/96) to turn down the level but because its a usb turntable obviously the audio is not recorded via my soundcard (is that right) ?? so then went to control panel and found that usb device was selected as the record input but the volume control was greyed out? So any ideas on how to turn that input level down?

Cheers in advance for any help :)

Re: Vinyl Rippage - want to get it right!

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:41 pm
by DJ_Nik_Gnashers
If the recordings are coming in at too high a level, so that they show clipping on the red VU recording meter, look for any control on the turntable that allows you to reduce its output volume. For example Ion and Numark models have a "gain knob" underneath the chassis that controls the output level. Be warned however that some users report that this gain knob does not work.
If adjusting the input slider on the Audacity Mixer Toolbar does not help, try turning the input level up or down (as appropriate) in the system mixer (usually accessed by right-click over the speaker icon by the system clock). For details on Windows, see our system mixer help - click that link, look for the image for Windows Vista/7 or XP as appropriate, then turn down the input level for "USB Audio Codec".
info from : http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php? ... ud_or_soft

Re: Vinyl Rippage - want to get it right!

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:42 am
by renegadegenius
ILL ADVISED wrote:Also while having a little play earlier I noticed I had slight clippage on the recordings. Went to the mixer on my soundcard (audiophile 24/96)
It that the M-Audio one?
If so, you can't adjust the input volume - this is the only really bad thing I've found with this audio card. They done it like that as they said adjusting the volume would alter the signal and therefore colour the sound.

Only way around it is to put a mixer inbetween to control the volume. I've not bothered with that myself & just left it with the slight clipping - which only really occurs on newer stuff pressed very loud. Most old skool is fine.

As for the recording format - leave as Wav if you can - just incase you want to tinker with the audio at a later date. Recording straight to 320 is fine if you don't wish to muck around with the audio.

Also, with Adobe Audition, I've found I can't record in stereo for some reason. Audacity is fine though as you can amend everything you need in the settings to choose the card to record from & number of channels (2 for stereo). For some strange reason in Adobe Audition you can amend everything bar the 2 channel bit, so it always records in mono from the Line In...

Re: Vinyl Rippage - want to get it right!

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:14 pm
by CMcDougall
ILL ADVISED wrote:Have purachased an ION USB turntable
take it back, as the quality is utter pish. They are like crap Alba decks, with cheap as chips needles, ie a bit broken glass :lol:

Always record to .WAVE as mensioned, and put them all on a external USB HD or DVDrs.
convert them to .mp3 jStereo, slow, 192k, and keep on main PC HD :smile:

use a decent proggy to get vol levels right, like dbPowerAmp or WaveLab5+. If they are too loud, not worth having/keeping.
if too low, least you can boost the .wav to peak at -0.33db

Re: Vinyl Rippage - want to get it right!

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:38 pm
by fannypad
Don't bother with USB turntables if you already have a sound card with fairly decent converters. They'll always be built to a budget using cheap components.

Just get a good quality phono preamp and run a normal analogue turntable through it, then feed the line-level signal to the inputs on your M-Audio card. You'll have full control of the signal at every stage, will be using a turntable with far better mechanicals than any budget USB deck, and most important of all the signal gets converted by your choice of ADC.

If you want to get anal about quality, I'd get a cheap second hand Emu 1212M card off ebay for £30-50, it uses the same pro-quality preamps and converters as those on certain high-end ProTools rigs.

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Re: Vinyl Rippage - want to get it right!

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:40 pm
by ill advised
Thanks for the replies and advice :)

Have tried again tonight using Audacity and the clipping is not occuring, done a few test rips and sound quality seems sweet, so think I will proceed to rip all as wav although I'm tempted to rip, save as 320 mp3, tag it up and be done, cant see me needing to alter the wav later on tbh.

Or am I gonna regret doing this? lol

Regarding the quality of the ION, it does seem cheaply knocked together but the sound quality is adiquite for my needs.......I think :lol:

Re: Vinyl Rippage - want to get it right!

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:45 pm
by fannypad
If you aren't getting rid of the vinyl and won't be cutting dubplates or using the rips as masters for represses or anything then it's not that big a deal.

But if you're looking to replace your vinyl with these rips then you'll most likely regret using something as shoddy as an Ion USB deck at some point in the future.

In either case, if I were you I'd take the thing back and use the cash to get a decent phono preamp. You already have a good sound card for the conversion process.

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Re: Vinyl Rippage - want to get it right!

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:59 pm
by ill advised
ARGHHH I had made my mind up then.................
fannypad wrote:If you aren't getting rid of the vinyl and won't be cutting dubplates or using the rips as masters for represses or anything then it's not that big a deal.

But if you're looking to replace your vinyl with these rips then you'll most likely regret using something as shoddy as an Ion USB deck at some point in the future.

In either case, if I were you I'd take the thing back and use the cash to get a decent phono preamp. You already have a good sound card for the conversion process.

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:lol: Damn what to do!