by 23eHeure » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:00 pm
phil wrote:radio babylon
by ian saunders » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:40 pm
23eHeure wrote:phil wrote:radio babylonCertainly a candidate. Good call.Does it have enough "roll" and is the tempo sufficient to make it the best candidate though...?
by MikeW » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:48 pm
by 23eHeure » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:54 pm
by spackhandychoptubes » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:52 pm
by eazyflow » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:18 am
spackhandychoptubes wrote:It's Lenny de ice we are i e - it's not scientifically proven, but it is a fact.
by Thumpson » Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:27 pm
eazyflow wrote:The ragga sample, the amen beats, the bassline, the gunshots - it has all the ingredients that came to be associated with jungle music 2 years later. All the other tracks mentioned by people in this thread have more in common with other genres than they do jungle.
by eazyflow » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:43 pm
Thumpson wrote:eazyflow wrote:The ragga sample, the amen beats, the bassline, the gunshots - it has all the ingredients that came to be associated with jungle music 2 years later. All the other tracks mentioned by people in this thread have more in common with other genres than they do jungle.Except the one i posted it's a (mid?)92 tune though..I still think it's a bit of a stretch to call We R IE jungle even though it was obviously influential. It's still under 140 bpm and is very much driven by a 4/4 beat.. and the sample is actually a muslim prayer, nothin to do with reggae.. but i might be clutching at straws here
by ian saunders » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:03 pm
by Thumpson » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:08 pm
eazyflow wrote:You have to draw a line somewhere, otherwise people are going to end up arguing that 'Amen Brother' by the Winston's was actually the first jungle record. For me, a record has to have enough of the ingredients that became synonymous with jungle to be able to class it as such.
And for me, 'We IE' is the earliest tune to tick all the boxes.
by Beagle » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:11 pm
ian saunders wrote:I think that Jungle (as in music) only came about when the word "Jungle" was used to describe it. It's when the term came in is what's important, not the actual music. Everything before the term "jungle" can be classed as an influence, rather than being that music.So what was the first record that was described as being "jungle"?If people in 1990-91 heard We R IE and said "that's a jungle tune" then it's jungle. Depends what they called it at the time.
by deebom » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:17 am
by mulder » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:00 pm
by mulder » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:06 pm
Thumpson wrote:the sample is actually a muslim prayer, nothin to do with reggae..
by mulder » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:09 pm
23eHeure wrote:Well I haven't got to my lock up yet to pull my decks and all my crates of records.But I HAVE found a box of tapes of london pirate shows up in the attic.Listened to two Kool FM sets from late 92, and I'm surprised to say about 75% of the tunes would definitely be classed as jungle.I say surprised, cos my memory told me even Kool was mostly hardcore until 93.So anyway, my point is jungle was already established as a sound of it's own in London in 92, but it was 93 when it really got rolling and entered the general lexicon.Doesn't answer the OP's question of course, but sat here listening to Kool from the night of Dec 4th 1992 ain't half making this boy grin!
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