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Re: Yikes...

Post by dagoon » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:40 am

Incredibly Disgusting Individual

Would it not be funny if he was caught selling a vinyl rip someone else uploaded to the internet..
I'm sure that will be the case in the not so long future, and will end his site in a moment just like he has done to so many others...

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Re: Yikes...

Post by sneaksby » Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:50 am

http://hardcorejunglism.com/sell-with-us/

THIS IS A SHIT DEAL
Hardcore Junglism cuts out the middle men – Distributors and record stores and enable you to pick up 50% of profits from the sales of your products.
you would get more on bandcamp
we have a in house mastering company who can remaster your catalogue at a competitive price
pay to have that idiot compress the shit out of your track and put it out in mono!

No need to worry if you have lost your masters as we specialize in tracing and tracking down masters
they did a full site rip of all the forums they are shutting down!



Could go on but this shit is making me feel giddy.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by what evil lurks » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:06 am

I'm not buying a file from that site, no matter how rare that special unreleased dubplate might be, it's about principles now.

I've never quit the old habit of buying vinyl or cd's and I got all my music ripped at the moment. I also share and download stuff but I'm not paying for that, I think I already spend money enough on this scene supporting old and new artists but I'm not funding that w..ker and I do hope no one here spends a single penny/cent on this site.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not even reading the interviews he may publish there.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by dj jedi » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:11 am

We're basically back to the good old MP3 debate again, and as a few others have said although the way this has been approached is destructive and amateur, ultimately the fact is nobody apart from the copyright owner has the right to distribute MP3s, no matter how much effort they've put in to doing so.

I liked and used IAAO, but its days were always numbered if we're honest. That's why B2VOS has never fallen in to the same trap. Regardless of dressing it up as community spirit blah blah blah, MP3 sharing is illegal. If you want to own this music legally, either buy vinyl or pay for MP3s.

Saying that, is this moron going to make any money from all this? no chance :lol:

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Re: Yikes...

Post by ian saunders » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:11 am

My 2 penneth.

Everybody wants the artist to get paid, any filesharing site in such a small scene as ours is always going to get some trouble somewhere down the line with this. My personal policy on filesharing is this:

If the tune is available to buy legally, buy it and don't fileshare it.
If the tune is not available anywhere to buy legally and it's over 10 years old, fileshare it until the time comes when it IS legally available to buy.

Vapour was a member of IAAO and fileshared. Those tunes are now legally available to buy and it would have been better if he'd had a word with IAAO and asked them to take down any links to rips, but if the artist wants them taken down then they are well within their rights. It's almost like a modern equivalent of bootlegging a 12 inch.

Viewing a low quality YT rip is fine, DLing high quality, legally available music of any genre is not. If you like the tune, pay for it.

Policing all this is another matter :) Vapour and any artist is never going to stop filesharing, but they will go after the easier targets.

BTW Vapour is still a dick.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by what evil lurks » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:18 am

By the way, Coldplay has just released their new digital single and it's also available on its full length version on youtube because their own company thinks that's the best way to attract new potential buyers.

I think this explains it all. There were other ways to do all this, much clever options than upsetting all your, by now, ex-customers.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by djduncanlawrence » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:25 am

leonized wrote:Let's just thank the Gods he hasn't made a porno!

hahahahaha

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Re: Yikes...

Post by aize » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:40 am

Actually less surprised/upset by this than by the whole Youtube debacle, recon they actually had more of a justification here, since sharing high quality rips is straight up bootlegging but damn, what a dumbass way to go about it. The guy obviously hasn't got a clue about what's left of the scene. Incidentally, a mate of mine was saying that pretty much everything on the site (HJ) is a badly mastered vinyl rip and definitely not worth buying anyway. Think the skeleton recordings stuff is all dat but most everything (including the dj crystl stuff isn't) Wouldn't know myself as haven't listened but does shine another light on his taking down other youtube videos... He doesn't want anyone comparing his products with the audio on youtube and finding out they sound identically bad.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by ian saunders » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:51 am

aize wrote:Actually less surprised/upset by this than by the whole Youtube debacle, recon they actually had more of a justification here, since sharing high quality rips is straight up bootlegging but damn, what a dumbass way to go about it. The guy obviously hasn't got a clue about what's left of the scene. Incidentally, a mate of mine was saying that pretty much everything on the site (HJ) is a badly mastered vinyl rip and definitely not worth buying anyway. Think the skeleton recordings stuff is all dat but most everything (including the dj crystl stuff isn't) Wouldn't know myself as haven't listened but does shine another light on his taking down other youtube videos... He doesn't want anyone comparing his products with the audio on youtube and finding out they sound identically bad.

But there's a disclaimer on HJ that says that some of the tunes are ripped from vinyl/compilation CDs..so you can't really touch him on that.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by dj jedi » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:07 am

ian saunders wrote:But there's a disclaimer on HJ that says that some of the tunes are ripped from vinyl/compilation CDs..so you can't really touch him on that.
Personally I think any track this isn't DAT sourced should be marked as such. A bit like tapes used to have 'DAT Recorded' on them :)

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Re: Yikes...

Post by ian saunders » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:13 am

Problem is, it seems to have got to a point now where people are moaning about IAAO being taken down because they won't be able to fileshare on there any more.

Taking down YT channels is indefensible, taking down filesharing sites is not. Sites like IAAO were always going to be at risk of this sort of shit, it's a ticking timebomb, especially as there are plenty of other places you could fileshare stuff.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by dj jedi » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:15 am

ian saunders wrote:Problem is, it seems to have got to a point now where people are moaning about IAAO being taken down because they won't be able to fileshare on there any more.

Taking down YT channels is indefensible, taking down filesharing sites is not. Sites like IAAO were always going to be at risk of this sort of shit, it's a ticking timebomb, especially as there are plenty of other places you could fileshare stuff.
Yep, completely agree.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by ian saunders » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:24 am

You're never going to stop filesharing, so don't worry about it. IAAO were shitting in their own backyard doing it, when they could have pointed people in the direction of it in Russia.

A lot of it now seems to have descended into how great filesharing is, how amazing it'll be when the internet gets faster, how powerful it is, how good the quality is.

All true, but it's going to win you no arguments with producers, labels or rights owners who want to get paid for their work.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by audiohazard » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:05 pm

ian saunders wrote:Problem is, it seems to have got to a point now where people are moaning about IAAO being taken down because they won't be able to fileshare on there any more.

Taking down YT channels is indefensible, taking down filesharing sites is not. Sites like IAAO were always going to be at risk of this sort of shit, it's a ticking timebomb, especially as there are plenty of other places you could fileshare stuff.

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Re: Yikes...

Post by electric tribe » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:30 pm

Elusive9T2 wrote:We all fileshare, I bet everyone reading this has watched a film downloaded off the internet

does watching midget animal on midget porn count? :lol:
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