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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by will2003 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:54 pm

dj_gyr8 wrote:Hi,

I think what you guys are doing is gr8, but it also made me think - could this spell the end of oldskool represses?

I mean, if you guys have the rights to sell the tracks digitally, then does this mean nobody can then press up the tracks on vinyl?

I know the majority of ppl on this site would specifically want some of these rare tracks on vinyl, as most of these ppl do not DJ via digital.

What would be the situation, if when the site is live, there are a few tracks that lots of ppl would want pressed, would there be an option to obtain rights from the owner for a limited vinyl run? Surely this would cause an issue in that you'd NOT want tracks on vinyl, as ppl will then not be buying them digital from yourselves

In a word, no.

The old skool vinyl market is now so niche that wether a track is also available on digital has no bearing whatsoever on doing small run vinyl any more. KVA001 sold out in the blink of an eye because if the tracks are good enough the diehard vinyl heads will snap it up. As I've said repeatedly in previous posts, it's foolish to press more than 150 max of an old skool reissue of a big rare tune, or of a previously unreleased tune. But if you choose well, the 150 will be gone in a flash.

You just won't make any real money from it :lol:

The margins on selling specialist music are just tiny, wether it's flogging MP3s for 99p or vinyl for £9.99, the costs to profits ratios are almost the same now.

I've got some more KVA releases in the pipeline but it really is just a hobby these days done for the love of vinyl and old skool. I imagine everyone else on here who has put out actual records would agree?

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by HardcoreJunglism » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:21 pm

dj_gyr8 wrote:Hi,

I think what you guys are doing is gr8, but it also made me think - could this spell the end of oldskool represses?

I mean, if you guys have the rights to sell the tracks digitally, then does this mean nobody can then press up the tracks on vinyl?

I know the majority of ppl on this site would specifically want some of these rare tracks on vinyl, as most of these ppl do not DJ via digital.

What would be the situation, if when the site is live, there are a few tracks that lots of ppl would want pressed, would there be an option to obtain rights from the owner for a limited vinyl run? Surely this would cause an issue in that you'd NOT want tracks on vinyl, as ppl will then not be buying them digital from yourselves
Well we aint setting out to stop vinyl presses but to be honest people have had about 20 years to chase up the same people that we did about vinyl represses so its not like we are trying to stop anyone from doing that

we do have a 1 year exclusive period on about 98% of the tracks from the date that we release the tracks on our site but this is more to do with that fact that we have invested ALOT of time and money in mastering and promotion its been a huge task to track down producer and masters so obviously we have our time and costs to cover after that period its down to the artists if they want to go down that route or not

We did actually decide to start the site to try and rescue some of this music from disappearing all together as the unreleased tracks would just vanish so the idea was made to start the site. its blown up from there and has now taken over a year and a half to get to this stage

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by HardcoreJunglism » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:23 pm

also on the flip side there has been ALOT of people who point blank refuse to release anything as digital as they see it as the antichrist lol so im sure if you tracked them down there is plenty of vinyl re issues avalable

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by otbiz » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:51 pm

Looking forward to this. Are the tracks all direct from DAT or are some taken from vinyl/dub?

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by dj_gyr8 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:51 pm

Hi,

Wow, we'd be EXTREMELY interested to know which producers specifically boycotted your site - as it is possible some of these may have tracks, we'd like pressed up on vinyl.

I totally agree with your licencing agreements - makes sense, so you recoup your costs etc.

Thus why I asked in the first place, as it may be a pity, if when the site goes live - I'm sure there will be a selection of tracks ppl will go crazy about, and will be so eager to have on vinyl - but it will mean a minimum of 1 year wait.

What are your thoughts on doing a vinyl run, if there is enough response from the public, and you can even get pre-orders, so no loss to you guys?

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by HardcoreJunglism » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:16 pm

otbiz wrote:Looking forward to this. Are the tracks all direct from DAT or are some taken from vinyl/dub?
All of the unreleased tracks are from DATs

at least 95% of the released stuff is from original mastered supplied from the artists and / or our connections (Labels, DJs with DAT / CD rips of originals)or comp CD rips

The ones we could not find masters for were recorded from the best possible sources and to be honest with you with the latest mastering techniques I would challenge anyone to work out which ones are from vinyl as to be honest you can not tell
dj_gyr8 wrote:Hi,

Wow, we'd be EXTREMELY interested to know which producers specifically boycotted your site - as it is possible some of these may have tracks, we'd like pressed up on vinyl.

I totally agree with your licencing agreements - makes sense, so you recoup your costs etc.

Thus why I asked in the first place, as it may be a pity, if when the site goes live - I'm sure there will be a selection of tracks ppl will go crazy about, and will be so eager to have on vinyl - but it will mean a minimum of 1 year wait.

What are your thoughts on doing a vinyl run, if there is enough response from the public, and you can even get pre-orders, so no loss to you guys?
No one specifically boycotted the site they just do not want to release digitally TBH this was a VERY small % of people we contacted as we managed to get nearly everyone we approached some people said they were not interested, some were doing it themselves and some just never responded - we wont be telling names as thats private and im sure people wont appreciate us saying who it was lol

There will be a lot of things people will go crazy over lol some of the tracks are upwards of 70 quid on vinyl so im sure people will appreciate the chance of being able to buy the remastered wavs for a much more sensible price

You will find though that quite a lot of artists dont care about vinyl as most of them did tell me that they have been approached before about vinyl represses and they know from running labels how little money there was in it back in the 90s so they dont want to even begin thinking about it now

but yeah end of the day we are not doing vinyl or are interested in doing vinyl our business is digital so thats that lol

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by Mr_Geese » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:39 pm

What's to stop people pressing it to a plate them self if they wanted it on wax that bad?

To be honest i'm glad it's digital only, now we'll see an end or certainly a slowdown to the parasites that want to make money off the work of others.

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by will2003 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:20 pm

Huh?

Bootleggers are parasites, stuff like those KOSA EPs - labels like mine, 92 Retro, 7th Storey, Edd Jedi's etc have paid artists very well in upfront licensing payments that, no disrespect to digital stores like HardcoreJunglism, are not guaranteed to make money especially if people are naughty and share the digitals around for free, upload to sharing sites etc.

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by HardcoreJunglism » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:49 pm

will2003 wrote:Huh?

Bootleggers are parasites, stuff like those KOSA EPs - labels like mine, 92 Retro, 7th Storey, Edd Jedi's etc have paid artists very well in upfront licensing payments that, no disrespect to digital stores like HardcoreJunglism, are not guaranteed to make money especially if people are naughty and share the digitals around for free, upload to sharing sites etc.
You can not stop people from doing anything from buying from us and leaking the files or buying vinyl from you and ripping then leaking the files - cocks will always be cocks

we are just aiming to provide these tracks at the highest quality so people have a choice of a shitty bootleg rip from an unknown source or a high quality WAV file remastered and sounding nice that earns the artist some money

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by HardcoreJunglism » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:53 pm

Mr_Geese wrote:What's to stop people pressing it to a plate them self if they wanted it on wax that bad?

To be honest i'm glad it's digital only, now we'll see an end or certainly a slowdown to the parasites that want to make money off the work of others.
Nothing what so ever if you want to cut a dub from tracks you brought from us then you are more than entitled to do so BUT if you then try to resell it then technically you are bootlegging and that is against the law lol

And the other point you made is one of the main reasons we started the business we actually approached quite a few artists who had tracks that were stupidly expensive on discogs about this as its obvious that people want the music we do have quite a lot of music on the site that is VERY expensive to buy on vinyl (some 70 quid plus)

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by will2003 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:05 pm

HardcoreJunglism wrote: You can not stop people from doing anything from buying from us and leaking the files or buying vinyl from you and ripping then leaking the files - cocks will always be cocks

we are just aiming to provide these tracks at the highest quality so people have a choice of a shitty bootleg rip from an unknown source or a high quality WAV file remastered and sounding nice that earns the artist some money
Very true.

Are you on the same number from years back when I met you at Beau's studio?

Got some good contacts from all the vinyl I've done, people who might well be up for giving you content for digital sales etc.

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by MikeW » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:35 pm

HardcoreJunglism wrote:
Mr_Geese wrote:What's to stop people pressing it to a plate them self if they wanted it on wax that bad?

To be honest i'm glad it's digital only, now we'll see an end or certainly a slowdown to the parasites that want to make money off the work of others.
Nothing what so ever if you want to cut a dub from tracks you brought from us then you are more than entitled to do so BUT if you then try to resell it then technically you are bootlegging and that is against the law lol

And the other point you made is one of the main reasons we started the business we actually approached quite a few artists who had tracks that were stupidly expensive on discogs about this as its obvious that people want the music we do have quite a lot of music on the site that is VERY expensive to buy on vinyl (some 70 quid plus)
Well, I'm really looking forward to your site opening and I'm likely to spend quite a lot of money with you when it does... whereas, I really can't be arsed buying vinyl these days... it's expensive, I've got nowhere to put it and the staff at the sorting office are arseholes!! Digital versions of these tunes can only be a good thing, they need to be preserved for the future and that won't happen if they're confined to crackly old vinyl that sits in the hands of a few nerdy collectors :D

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by Mr_Geese » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:06 am

will2003 wrote:Huh?

Bootleggers are parasites, stuff like those KOSA EPs - labels like mine, 92 Retro, 7th Storey, Edd Jedi's etc have paid artists very well in upfront licensing payments that, no disrespect to digital stores like HardcoreJunglism, are not guaranteed to make money especially if people are naughty and share the digitals around for free, upload to sharing sites etc.

I hope you dont think what i said was aimed at you or edd jedi, or 7th storey or any of the others that do things the proper legit way
I'm talking about the likes of

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?mast ... 4262&ev=mb

http://www.discogs.com/buy/Vinyl/Untouc ... ev=bp_titl

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?mast ... 8486&ev=mb

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?rele ... 5514&ev=rb

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?rele ... 2891&ev=rb

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by Mr_Geese » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:17 am

HardcoreJunglism wrote:
Mr_Geese wrote:What's to stop people pressing it to a plate them self if they wanted it on wax that bad?

To be honest i'm glad it's digital only, now we'll see an end or certainly a slowdown to the parasites that want to make money off the work of others.
Nothing what so ever if you want to cut a dub from tracks you brought from us then you are more than entitled to do so BUT if you then try to resell it then technically you are bootlegging and that is against the law lol

And the other point you made is one of the main reasons we started the business we actually approached quite a few artists who had tracks that were stupidly expensive on discogs about this as its obvious that people want the music we do have quite a lot of music on the site that is VERY expensive to buy on vinyl (some 70 quid plus)
It will happen though, shit if you get people trying to sell there shitty youtube ripped plates it's gonna happen with this to.
Just hope whoever does it gets the shit sued out of them

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Re: Unreleased track From DJ Junk

Post by renegadegenius » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:41 am

Mr_Geese wrote:
will2003 wrote:Huh?

Bootleggers are parasites, stuff like those KOSA EPs - labels like mine, 92 Retro, 7th Storey, Edd Jedi's etc have paid artists very well in upfront licensing payments that, no disrespect to digital stores like HardcoreJunglism, are not guaranteed to make money especially if people are naughty and share the digitals around for free, upload to sharing sites etc.

I hope you dont think what i said was aimed at you or edd jedi, or 7th storey or any of the others that do things the proper legit way
I'm talking about the likes of

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?mast ... 4262&ev=mb

http://www.discogs.com/buy/Vinyl/Untouc ... ev=bp_titl

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?mast ... 8486&ev=mb

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?rele ... 5514&ev=rb

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?rele ... 2891&ev=rb
But 3 of these were released by Will officially (Sublogic Recordings)....
And the remake I did of the Q-Project remix was also given the ok by Q-Project himself.

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