Traffic Cone wrote:would love to hear some new jungle that wasn't so ragga heavy...i do still love that but jungle that uses other sounds is great, and there isn't enough!
Definitely, the whole ragga thing has been well and truly done. Still plenty of good ragga jungle tunes out there but a little variety is needed. As for my point about the complicated drum loops, i'm probably not explaining it well enough. It's not so much that they're complicated, but that there's a variety of different loops in a tune, breaking it up. If the drums don't really change, throughout the tune, i'd class it as drum and bass.
Perfect example of jungle imo,
The drums are almost constantly changing, it's hard to find 2 bars with the same pattern. Obviously it's a sliding scale so the problem becomes, at what point to you decide if a tune is drum and bass an when it becomes jungle.
Btw, completely agree with your point about drum and bass being heavily quantized and jungle being more based on breakbeats and so freer. Nail on head.